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Post by Vampyresam on Oct 1, 2004 20:16:24 GMT
Table Tilting - a brief history.
The German theologian Franz Delitzsch discovered the activities of a Jewish group in the early 17th century, who were practising communiction with spirits with the use of tables. They would sit around a table and wait for it to obey by prompting the spirits to communicate by moving or tiliting the table. Delitzsch was actually hoping to uncover damaging evidence against spiritism in the mid 1850's.
His evidence, rather then discouraging spiritists reinforced their belief that they were actually communicating with spirits. The tables really did seem to obey the spirits. One tap, tilt or rap for 'yes', two for 'no' and three for ' don't know'.
The fact that the tables responded in this way encouraged spiritualists more than ever in believing that the spirits were responsible for the movements. The only problem was that though some questions may elicit correct answers and information from spirits that could not be known by anyone in the room, when asked their identities the spirits would give names of individuals who had passed over and could not be traced. They were also unable to give any thing more then a vague impression of conditions in the world of spirits.
Table tilting to communicate with spirits started dying out when it was discovered that the ouija boards provided a faster means of communication with loved ones that had passed over.
Sessions using tables still continued from time to time but these were usually conducted to provide evidence of psychokinesis or PK rather then to make contact with those in the world of spirit.
However is table tilting now making a long awaited for come back.........
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Post by Vampyresam on Oct 1, 2004 20:21:38 GMT
Table tilting is something I've been thinking a lot about in recent weeks since MH tried it on their last MH Live. I've also noticed that MH have also been trying this method of communicating with spirits in the new series too. The idea is that a collection people, generally those who have a good connection with each other, all lay their hands lightly on a table and call for a spirit to make contact by moving or tapping the table. MH seem to have had quite a bit of success with this method so far especially in MH Live when the table was "dancing" around the floor.
A couple of theories are that is the collective minds of the people that is moving the table as in psychokinesis or telekinesis.
Another theory is that one or more of the group is unconsciously moving the table without realising they are doing it.
I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the subject, or hopefully had tried it themselves. It'd be great to hear if anyone has any experiences with table tilting, good or bad.
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Post by Vampyresam on Oct 1, 2004 20:59:19 GMT
This is a great link on table tilting. It gives a bit of history on the subject plus some good advice on how to conduct your own table tilting session www.prairieghosts.com/table.html |
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Post by BigC on Oct 12, 2004 21:37:09 GMT
This is something that i have never witnessed a result with during investigations, but on most occasions the experiment was done towards the end of the night when everyones collective energy levels would be at their lowest ebb, i tend to side with the theory of psychokinesis rather than spirit communication, at a recent investigation at wymmering manor in portsmouth i heard of a very good result of a table tilting experiment there.
Best Wishes
Big C.
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Post by The_Phantom_Monk on Oct 17, 2004 13:24:55 GMT
Hopefully I'm going to have a go at this on an investigation on halloween night so I'll let you know what happens.
Simon.
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Post by Vampyresam on Oct 17, 2004 14:36:36 GMT
Hi Simon, I hope you do get a chance to do some table tilting at your investigation on Halloween. It'd be great to hear if you have any results. We talked about doing a table tilting session on a few occasions but the opportunity just hasn't presented itself recently. Would have been difficult to do at some where like Hellfire Caves or Berry Pomeroy and I don't think they'd have been too happy us using one of their antique tables at Boddelwyddan  . I've read and heard that table tilting can become more effective when the group of people involved know each other well and are comfortable, happy and relaxed in each other company so I'm hopeful we'll able to give table tilting a go in the near future. I bet you're really looking forward to your up-coming investigation. I hope it goes well and you get some good results. Exciting isn't it ? ;D |
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Post by The_Phantom_Monk on Nov 6, 2004 1:46:03 GMT
Hi All
Sorry I've not been about much lately but should have more time now to visit, this is my favourite forum, other than my own of course ;D.
Anyway I had a great time at the Talbot Inn at Ripley on Halloween. We did try table tipping, there was 6 of us but the table we tried first was a little heavy and nothing happened so we did a seance with a glass that started moving the moment we put our fingers on it. We got some great stuff asking yes/no questions, first we got 2 women and a young girl, it turned out that the bar manager had seen a little girl in the room we were in which was interesting. The strange thing was that we discovered they were Italian and couldn't understand why they were there, the the bar manager said their chef was Italian so we asked if they were related to him and we got a yes. This was very interesting to think that they had followed him to the Inn.
After a while thought we'd try the table tipping again, we found a lighter table and asked using the glass if they would try and move it, they said yes. The table did move slightly as we laid our hands on it, it started rocking gently back and forth creeking as it went. We then thought perhaps it was still too heavy and tried it with a bar stool. This worked excellently, we picked up on a group of 10 children who apparently died in a collaps while helping to build a nearby cannal, we'll have to do some research to see if we can find any truth in this. Anyway the stool tilted up on 2 legs for a yes responce and didn't move for the no responce. I looked realy closely to see if anyone was moving it but couldn't see any fraud, it was a facinating experience and we got loads of info to check up on. At one point it felt like someone was tickling the top of my head, I asked if it was them and they said yes!
The spirits we picked up were all very friendly and playfull and it was an amazing experience. Have any of you guys tried it yet?
Simon.
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Post by Vampyresam on Nov 6, 2004 11:15:17 GMT
Excellent results Simon ;D ;D. Its great to hear from someone who has had first hand experience of glass moving and table tilting. It's good seeing it happen on television but there's always a slight niggling doubt that its faked in someway or that someone in the group in un-intentionally moving the object. How did you feel when the glass, then the table started moving and responding to your questions?
The tickling on your head sounds cool. I often get sensations like that, usually a tingling on my head but more recently a whistling in my ear. I haven't manged to figure out what the tune is yet. I think its my spirit guide doing some fine tuning. Going to the spiritualist church helps a lot towrds learning and understanding these sensations. It can be a bit unerving at first.
I'm so glad you got so much from your vigil and that you enjoyed it too. ;D ;D
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Post by The_Phantom_Monk on Nov 6, 2004 21:56:46 GMT
Yeah I got a lot of it on video, we did some with the lights out and some with them on. Got some orbs while on night vision, it was a great night. I've only started getting the tingles resently, I think perhaps I'm opening up a little. At the end of the investigation I was overcome with a major coldness and tingles and got orbs when I took pics of the spot in which I was standing. Its all very strange but interesting, I didn't feel a great deal while glass/table tipping, mostly waves of coldness down my hands, a few tingles down my neck, stuff like that. Its funny you should mention the whistling in the ears though, I had a bit of that, it also felt like I had preasure in my left ear! I'd like to try it again with people I know wouldn't try and move the table/glass cos although I'm sure none of them would have at the Talbot I can't be 100% because I'd never met 2 0f them before.
Simon.
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Post by Vampyresam on Nov 7, 2004 12:38:27 GMT
I'd love to see what you caught on video. Its such a buzz when you play back what you recorded and then suddenly notice an orb floating across that you didn't notice at the time isn't it? ;D. I think my best experience though was when I caught an orb on film that seemed to respond to my voice. Its the one from Boddelwyddan earlier this year when I was saying it'd be nice to see a little orb, something like that and then one floated passed Stevens leg. It's in the download section and I still get a buzz watching it. ;D ;D ;D.
As to the tingling and whistling, I and Steven believe that the more we do on the paranormal front and contacting spirit guides etc, the more we pick up on and feel. Its kinda like you become more receptive and aware of what is around you and your senses become more in tune. Maybe your spirit guide is tuning you in too because he/she knows your reached a certain level so to speak.
I agree about doing table tilting and glass moving with a group of people that you all know and trust. Even if there's just one person that you don't know around the table that will still cast a shadow of doubt that its them doing the moving. The theory is that it can produce much more effective results table tilting with a group that know each other well and are comfortable with each other. The energy going round the table would be stronger I guess.
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Post by Spooky on Nov 8, 2004 8:42:13 GMT
This certainly does seem to have taken off since Most Haunted did it earlier in the year. I have yet to try it myself but would be interested in having a go.
Maybe on the next location that has a table we can give it a whirl? I know Sam and I went to one site and they described how they did something with a chair. They were basicaly singing the grand old duke of york and the chair was doing the actions ie fully tilted for "when they were up they were up" and down for "when they were down they were down" and obvioulsly in between for "neither up or down". This was done with laying on of fingers in a similar way to table tilting.
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Post by Spooky on Nov 14, 2004 16:49:50 GMT
Okay with the above comment in mind last night when we got into what used to be the chapel of Wymering Manor House I spotted a wooden table and a whole selection of glasses. Bingo. I made the suggestion and no one thought twice and we were all round the table in a flash. It took twenty mins or so to build the energy levels and then we were off. We were all stunned to see it twist slightly then go across the table. We got a lot of movement and reported it back to the other teams. Later we did it again and the glass did a kind of tipping and titling and went over a few times. Then we did the table tilting and after a build up it was up and down the room like a mad thing. We had two mediums with us the whole time who knew how to close down the location after etc so it was all done in a safe environment so dont try this at home kids keep it for the haunted houses onky Great though and glad I finaly lost my table/glass tilting cherry.... |
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Post by The_Phantom_Monk on Nov 14, 2004 20:34:39 GMT
It is great when it works isn't it I was amazed when we did the glass seance that it started to move instantly before anyone had a chance to ask a question, I've written a report of our night at the Talbot Inn on halloween and I'll post it on PF as soon as I've found out if any of the others have anything to add to it. Its quite long but we had a very eventful night, next I want to see if I can find any historical evidence to support the info we picked up. Can't wait to try it again. Simon. |
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